On this week’s podcast, Ruby Varghese of Quest Church joins Irene M. Cho for an episode about women leadership in Asian American churches.

It’s a thoughtful and powerful conversation between women ministers, discussing toxic masculinity, being women of color in Christian leadership, and Asian American church culture.

Thanks to Carl Catedral for engineering this episode, as well as Mark Redito for contributing music and Jason Garreth Loke for producing.


Welcome to Centering, the Asian American Christian podcast! On Season 4, Hmong American minister Der Lor and Indian American therapist Melba Mathew explore how our ethnic and racial communities are nurtured, built, and supported. Listen at soundcloud.com/centeringpodcast


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