In the final episode of their season, Der and Melba are joined by Hmong American pastor Second Yang to discuss the surprising and overlooked ways that language can have an impact on our faith, fellowship, and worshipping communities.

Listen now on Soundcloud, Apple podcasts, or your other favorite podcast app (search for “Centering Asian American Christian”).

Centering is produced by Jason Chu, engineered by Alexander Catedral, with music by Mark Redito.


Welcome to Centering, the Asian American Christian podcast! On Season 4, Hmong American minister Der Lor and Indian American therapist Melba Mathew explore how our ethnic and racial communities are nurtured, built, and supported. Listen at